mandela, i photographed him and talked to him and found him terribly relaxed. >> did his personality -- his potential come through to you on -- on film in those early days? >> well, he was terribly self disciplined and calm. and this surprised me in comparison with all of the other leaders, rushing around like chickens and terribly nervous about having serious problems at this conference. and then the second time i photographed him in in 1952 in his office in his law office he was then still working as a lawyer, and he had a law office in johannesberg, and again i asked him -- i was late for an appointment and due to traffic pms and i asked him if i could just -- he was about to leave -- if he could just hang on a minute and to photograph him and he totally stood still and posed for me, and then i -- i realized there was no -- >> we have to leave it. i'm terribly sorry. looking at your photographs and listening to you, a reminder of what a force of history he is. we appreciate you documenting that. . >> thank you very much. tÑ >> announcer: this is al jazeera. ♪ >> hello, welcome